Wow - I hadn't thought about any of this in a long time. I remember being sick with fear over the graphic details they would give about the torture techiniques, the one about having your fingernails pulled out and the bamboo shoots stuck with me. I lived in contstant fear when I was a child - if it wasn't Armageddon - it was displeasing Jehovah and ending up dead - or displeasing the elders and having your family taken away by disfellowshipping. It all seems so foreign now to me after having been out for 10 years.
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for "born-ins"
by Mandette indoes anyone remember being a little kid and being forced to sit through those 2 hour meetings?
specifically being made to listen to graphic accounts of whatever country that was going through horrific persecution.
(or any other horrors you might remember).
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Apes prove male superiority
by joelbear inwithin the great apes the male is always dominant.
as they are the highest on the evolutionary track next to man i think it proves that males are supposed to dominate women in all aspects of life.
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Have you lost your mind?!?! Stereotyping male or female behavior is counterproductive for everyone involved. I am a woman who is guided by rational thoughts and not feelings. I am a member of senior management for the company I work for - and I am damn good at what I do. I don't think the patriarchy of the apes prove anything for humans. One would think humans as the more evolved species would have realized women are not better or worse than men - just different.
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Out of the Mouth of Babes...
by RichieRich inso this week on the service meeting there was a part in the km about divine education.
true to form, it was another anti-college, pro-pioneering propaganda piece put out by our buddies in brooklyn.. in the third paragraph, it babbled forth about how colleges and universities don't teach people to overcome racism, tribalism, and something else.
(someone please post scan on dec. 2005 km front page).
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I can certainly relate. I traveled to a convention in Canada once with a girl who was homeschooled. As we were approaching the guard station where we cross she said " we dont have to do this when we go to any other state, why do we have to do it here?" I informed her Canada was another COUNTRY and she wanted to argue that Canada was part of the US. Hello?
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Is it all downhill after leaving JW's?
by lynnmelo ini know many people will get angry at this, but i had to share some observations i've had since i discovered this board a couple of days ago (see my original post under "why all the venom?").
i'll be very honest and say that i was hoping that i would discover that the jw's were wrong about some things, including the so-called "apostate" sites (i have been recommended to some internet sites and some books that i plan to investigate further).
i was hoping to find that people really didn't need the jw's "spiritual food" to remain true to god.
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It certainly hasn't been bad for me - leaving the JW's. I still believe in God and the Bible. For awhile after I left I was mad - mad at God - mad at the WT. But it faded with time and effort. I am not angry with God or the witnesses. My life now is one of peace and joy. I have a wonderful family, suppotive friends, rewarding career etc. God is still very much a part of my life and I pray to him daily. The difference is now it is heartfelt appreciation for his loving kindness instead of begging for forgiveness lest I be killed at Armageddon.
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Wifely Submission?!
by freedomlover inokay, what i want to know is honestly how many of you guys out there were actually attracted to the jw's because of the wifely submission thing?
and girls, how many of you actually had issues with the submission thing even when in the org.
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Most of the "brothers" I had dated while still in said that I was too head strong (their words not mine). I would laugh and move on. It was funny. One time one of the MS in the hall went to my father and told him that I was too head strong - my dad asked why he wasn't talking to me about it??? Of course I just wasn't submissive to anyone. There were brothers that would order me to do something (hello- not YOUR wife) I would very quickly tell them to do it themselves.
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Ran out of Walkill, So we picketed Patterson
by Junction-Guy inwell when thursday morning arrived and we were told the news that the brooklyn picketing had been cancelled, we were upset and disappointed, but we decided to go on with a plan "b".
amanda,evelyn,sybil,and i decided to ride up to walkill ny and visit the watchtower farms and also patterson.
we drove up to walkill first and i must say that the size of this complex was enormous, and reminded me so much of a prison complex, they even had their own water tower.
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I know the legal department was being moved there. There is also an on site hotel for visitors to stay at - guess there was no room at the inn for you. I actually worked at patterson (during construction) and at Watchtower farms on different contstruction projects. Has anyone ever stayed at that boarding house around the corner from Watchtower farms?
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+ Remembering Matthew Shepard +
by Seven inseven years ago today matthew, a gay college student, died as a result of the savage beating he suffered at the hands of two inhuman monsters now serving a life sentence for his murder.
gone but not forgotten.
rest in peace.. visit the foundation created in his honor: .
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The men who did this are serving life sentences at the State Pen. in Rawlins Wyoming. They did a show a while back to try to take back the "gay panic" defense - tried to make themselves look better - only made themselves look worse.
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Describe the WILDEST JW party you ever attended!! no seriously......
by kid-A ini realize this is totally context and culturally dependent, but the old toronto jw youth scene was quite wild during the years 1984-1994. .
one example, a group of about 40 jw kids would go up to a ski resort (usually mount st.louis/moonstone or blue mountain) over the x-mas week-end.
one year we rented out a block of rooms in a resort close to the ski lodge.
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Too many to mention. But you Canadians sure do know how to throw a party!!! Most invloving enormous quantities of alcohol and boys. The trick was to all meet far enough away from home to get away with it.
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JW kids and the national anthem humiliation......
by kid-A infor me, school was extremely stressful as a jw kid.
the worst part had to be my morning dose of humiliation being forced to walk out of the room as the national anthem came on the loudspeakers (first god save the queen, then, oh canada).
the other kids found this completely bizarre, and several of my "patriotic" minded teachers really resented me for doing this (despite the obvious fact i had no choice in the matter but was being forced into this by my parents).. how could anybody force this public humiliation on a small child or teen-ager, already having to deal with the normal stresses of growing up and worrying about their public image with their peers???
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Where I grew up as long as they asked us to stand and sing the national anthem we could stand and just not sing - no one could tell whether you were or weren't singing. The pledge was the same thing - we stood - faced the flag- but didn't recite the pledge. My parents said that we still had to respect the flag and our fellow students who believed they should salute the flag. My teachers were all fine with it - so were my classmates. For birthdays and such our parents would allow us to eat whatever goody was brought in - just out in the hall - didn't seem so bad. But in elementary school they also allowed me to go over to worldly kids houses after school occaisionally. For holidays we could make whatever craft was being made as long as it was real - so instead of an easter bunny we made bunnies etc. Maybe where I grew up was just more liberal.
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Good Childhood or Bad Childhood?
by weinermcgee inah i pressed tab this time instead of enter!.
i am allowed one more topic today so i thought i'd make it interesting.. i'd have to say that i had an awesome jw childhood i had lots of kids to play with, my cong always held special things to make all the children happy such as renting space to have parties or watching disney movies at someones house, movie theatre parties.
sliding parties (you know sleds on hills, no gt sno racers back then), all kinds of things that prevented us from getting worldly friends.
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My childhood was good. I was raised as a witness, but my family had fun together. After thursday meetings was ice cream night, Fridays we would go to one of the elders houses for movies or swimming. Saturdays were service, lunch with some of the friends and in the summer going to the lake or in the winter sledding or snowmobiling. Sundays were rollerskating. No spankings. Once I was old enough to drive the people from the cong would get together on Fri or Sat to go bowling. We always took family vacations together, sometimes just our family - soemtimes with others families from the hall. Sometimes we would go to the lake for the weekend with other elders in the hall and have the watchtower study in the campground. There were always parties as tenns - formals, fifties, etc. I guess I didn't realize how the rest were until I moved out of my general area - then I got a dose of reality from the elders wives in my new hall. Not so much fun anymore.